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Query An industrial locomotive receiving attention somewhere in Scotland in February 1965. What and where? [Added 130310] |
Comments so far A real long shot but could this be AB1960 of 1929 @ Motherwell Bridge Thermal in Uphall. Loco ex Broxburn Oil Co in 1964 and scrapped 1967 (see IRS Handbook N Industrial Locomotives of Scotland) Jim Watson 
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Query Hymek D7089 on Swindon Works scrapline in March 1974, buffered up to Western D1019 - both withdrawn from service the previous May. While the Western was cut up here in October 1974 the Hymek was later removed from the works yard. It reappeared on a scrap line at Laira in 1975, then later at Thomson^s in Stockton, where it was cut up in February 1976, the only Hymek to be scrapped in the North East. Can anyone help in determining the reason for this strange sequence of events? [Added 130310] |
Comments so far Im advised by some retired Swindonians that two D7xxxs went to the Old Dalby test track for some experimental work and a defunct D7xxx was sent as a source of spares. This is probably why it ended up in a northern scrapyard. They also state that a D8xx went with it. Peter Todd D7076 and D7096 went to Old Dalby. I have now seen a suggestion that D7089 was briefly a departmental train pre-heat unit (TDB968005). Mark Bartlett From Departmental.com Fact box: ADB 968005 Old number: D7089 Departmental use: Train Heating Unit Other comments: Scrapped - TJ Thomson, Stockton 12/75 Crinan Dunbar
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Query Steam-hauled freight... where and when? [Added 110310] |
Comments so far To start this one off, the high embankment and drystone wall suggest the approach to a viaduct somewhere on the S&C - possibly Ribblehead (train northbound) although I'm far from convinced. The white painted smokebox straps should help to identify the loco - I havent found a lot of evidence for these on Britannias in their later days - 70014 Iron Duke and 70020 Mercury are two possibilities but the latter had the normal BR1/BR1A tender. The BR1D tender narrows it down to the 70045-54 batch or 70014 which inherited one in its last years so the latter is a distinct possibility. However 70014 retained its smoke deflector handrails to the end and its not clear whether these are present on the example illustrated or it has handholds cut into the deflectors. Bill Jamieson I wondered about the S&C when I first saw this but I also thought it might be some around the Drumlanrig Gorge on the GSW that has featured in other mystery pictures. [See image 21886] Mark Bartlett Im inclined to think its WCML territory either around Docker viaduct or just North of Tebay with the freight heading Northbound. The number of telegraph wires seen above the locos buffer beam the high ballast shoulder and what appears to be FB track suggests a core main line route of this period. Donald Hillier The loco seems to have two electrification flashes on the smoke deflector. The combination of these, handholds in the smoke deflectors and BR1D tender all point to 70054 for which there is photographic evidence of twin flashes on both deflectors. Bill Jamieson Additional: Looked at Docker Viaduct but the railway boundary was fencing in this area (see Ivo Peters Farewell to North-West Steam p.32). This doesnt preclude it being further north on the WCML - fencing seems to have given way to walling around Dillicar, which continued to Shap Summit and beyond - although the vegetation outside the railway boundary doesnt match with anything on the much photographed embankments at Shap Wells and Greenholme. However Robin was a bit more adventurous than many photographers in seeking out different angles. The flat bottom rail doesnt rule out the S&C which was mostly laid with FB by the mid 60s but the wires perhaps tells against this - these appear to have been on the east side north of Lunds (not far south of Ais Gill) and on the west side south thereof (and underground around Blea Moor / Ribblehead). This doesnt fit with an uphill working in either direction on the S&C but the wires would be right for a down WCML working on the ascent to Shap. PS The railway boundary seems to have been fencing in the Drumlanrig area, although this is based on much more limited photographic evidence. Also the wires here were on the wrong side for a northbound (uphill) working. BJ The location looks similar to that labelled near Scout Green in image 23702 but looking in the opposite direction. John Robin The location which John suggests (Salterwath) appears in the background of many shots taken about half a mile further towards Shap Summit eg Farewell to North-West Steam pages 104-108 and theres no sign of any trees outside the railway boundary at least in the 1965-67 period. Furthermore from closer up shots (same book pages 102 and 103) the wall here has a fence on the field side which is lacking in query 245. In any case I feel that the embankment shown is much higher than at Salterwath although I accept that when seen from directly below some exaggeration is possible. Bill Jamieson Re Bills comments about Docker viaduct and ref to P32 of Ivo Peters Farewell to NW steam it shows an Up train travelling southwards. What I meant was view taken on the opposite Down side. But point taken with boundary fencing instead of walling. If not here then going with my previous submission Im thinking that the Brit is on the embankment approaching Birkbeck viaduct north of Tebay nr Greenholme. Donald Hillier
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